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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 718 for the 10th of july

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2022

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richard saunders coming to you today

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from salinas california i'm in the war

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room at kitty cat no not kitty cat

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corner catnip cuttings what what is it

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susan kobe catnip corners catnip corners

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here in in salinas i'm visiting susan

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mark edward for a few days to uh

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just relax and have a lot of fun now you

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and i are about to have a chat about

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guerrilla skepticism and your wonderful

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project here the jerry andrus archival

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amazing i'm looking at thousands of

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files here in the war room which are

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correspondents and photographs and ideas

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and designs

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it's extraordinary susan

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absolutely it's extraordinary we'll get

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to that tell me about it

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and you're scanning everything it's hard

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to believe we're going to chat about

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that then we get an afternoon of

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mentalism with mark edward where he's

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going to try and befuddle us with some

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esp cards absolutely he befuddles me all

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the time

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i see all right well i'm going to be

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befuddled then we'll have a chat to mark

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about mentalism in general then to round

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off the show it's trove back to the

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trove archives we're going to be looking

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at a man called andrea paharich who was

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one of the men responsible for bringing

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out yuri gellar

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i'm looking forward to it yeah yeah and

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i love the 12 segments thank you me too

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it's really fun it's really fun to do

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and i encourage people to go to trove at

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trove.nla.gov.u and have a look at those

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archives um but it's it's a packed

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it's it's full to the brim so why don't

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out to the hall run down the hall and

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what can we find in your kitchen

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i think we might find some vegemite

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and mustache some old pizza from last

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night

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and who knows what

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maybe a cat maybe a cat while we do that

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we hope you enjoy

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the skeptic zone

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i think we need to think

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susan go back normally microphones have

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black fuzzy things on the end this one

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has a red fuzzy thing and it's on the

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end of a ruler which has been painted i

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don't know about you guys in australia

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but that is not that is burnt orange

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whatever color you just said she's

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gear i'm in

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the heartland of gorilla skepticism on

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wikipedia this is salinas we call this

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been here for two and a half years and

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it's just as cluttered and chaotic but

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even more so i think yeah the pictures

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are all still there

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i don't think i had pictures here before

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not as many but i added them because of

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the pandemic i wanted to be able to sit

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something like that but that the other

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your wonderful trivia quiz how long

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and it's it's just four rounds of trivia

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five rounds and we've never missed a

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thursday we've even had them on holidays

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and everybody listening you're welcome

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to join you'll find this is three rounds

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plus a four rounds four rounds and a

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years now anybody listening just you'll

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find the instructions how to join it on

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hang out it's a blast there's about 30

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so let's catch up now in the last little

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while what's new on the horizon for gsow

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well we've really had a an interesting

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everything we were doing and they kind

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more and uh the promo that i was just

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might have to do a new promo with you

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while i'm visiting for the next next few

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called puzzling world in fact that

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visit hello a bird just nearly flew into

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this wonky crazy place with puzzles and

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educational challenge i think you know

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that they it's run its course

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that's what they got a lot of trouble to

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manage that's what i read about it the

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the man who was running and said it's

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it's run its course i mean what else can

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powers and after decades or whatever it

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nobody can do it right

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sand and say well we did everything we

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could to bring you out and have you

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demonstrate your psychic powers

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absolutely i totally understand and i

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had helped run the iig back in the day

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paranormal challenge that had i think

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incoherent most of the time people can't

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emails with people and you still aren't

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getting any closer to knowing what it is

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and aggravating and the people who are

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playing for this are not the people that

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them step forward but you're right i

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mean the same thing happens in australia

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we get

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sometimes very uh difficult to

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understand

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rambling

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letters written in crayon kind of thing

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well yes and no and but but people who

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can't get to the point or not sure what

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they can do but they know they're

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psychic and mm-hmm

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you know what it's it it is it is at

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times it can be but from our point of

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view

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the point is yes it's time consuming

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you've got to plow through all this

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stuff and at the end of the day

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even after a long and being very patient

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which i have

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had this experience nothing happens you

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can't get anywhere or they'll turn i've

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had people turn on me

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saying well now you're a skeptic i'm not

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going to do it now anyways

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it doesn't yeah it doesn't solve any

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problems i i'm you know i've lived that

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world for a few years and it's

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interesting i thought it was fascinating

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to the psychologically wise i think

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there's many phds that could be written

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on the

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there but i could totally understand why

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this the puzzling world would want to

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end it while they had a chance i mean it

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was it was great fine thank you it did

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its job yeah i think i think it did a

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job but i mean we still have it in

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australia we still have a hundred

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thousand dollars challenge and i think

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we'll keep we'll keep going with that

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but um i i i can understand that people

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get reached a point where they say well

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what okay

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we've tried we've tried for decades

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we've tried very hard nobody comes

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forward if they do come forward they

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can't really express what they need what

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they can do and the ones that we have

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had come to the test with 100 failure

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rates so far and then they they excuse

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it away so it's not like they learned

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anything they just say oh well it didn't

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work today it's a bit like this

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australian prediction project i mean if

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you added another year or another decade

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or another 10 decades

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would it really change the results

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honestly i don't think it would i mean i

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must admit the the time period we

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covered i chose that it just sort of

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happened that way you know i thought

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that was a huge

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block of time two decades 21 years and

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we're covering 21 years and 3811

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predictions which is far more than i

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thought when i started this you know

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far more but when i finished when we

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finished we thought well if that's not

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enough nothing would be enough you know

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that's enough data and enough years

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absolutely and i totally agree at a

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certain time you've got to move on

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it's go to an another project take a

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vacation

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adopt a dog you know do something i mean

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come on make sure it's a psychic dog a

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psychic dog would be nice

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[Laughter]

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well susan thank you very much for that

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little update on gsow scr and i'm here

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again i'm here in the very room where it

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all happens like i can see the little um

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gargoyle over there and the curtains i'm

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familiar with on zoom and

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it's fantastic and i look forward to the

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next few days and folks i'll be doing

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some more interviews over the next few

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days yeah it's a little crowded in here

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sorry but um we have the jerry andrus

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project i'm archiving the jerry anders

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project people in almost a year people

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who don't know about that what's a

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little quick overview of that jerry

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andrus was a wonderful

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friend of james randy and ray hyman he's

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one of the people who helped found the

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modern skeptic movement he was a

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magician he was a magician's magician

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another he created optical illusion

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optical illusions

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actually

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invented or publicized or whatever by

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jerry andrews anyway he died in 2007 his

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entire he saved every piece of paper i

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think he's ever had and they've been

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sitting in a storage locker in oregon

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and i went up a year ago almost and

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picked it up a car full of paper and

383
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i've been attempting to archive it and

384
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so i'm frantically trying to finish this

385
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project that means

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making a digital copy of everything

387
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everything's scanned and

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things were just thrown in boxes it's

389
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imagine taking every piece of paper i

390
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mean shopping lists

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phone numbers

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notes that you made to yourself for

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something i mean everything and

394
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important papers lots of important

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papers letters he wrote he made copies

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of every letter he wrote i have

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everything and i'm scanning it and you

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have to put it in order you have to

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figure out who it is i mean it's just so

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much work what's what's the the ultimate

401
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goal is to make it available for

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research purposes or to write a book

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right right so we hope that they'll

404
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there'll be people who want to write a

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book about him also in the archives

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there are other magicians and other

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skeptics that are mentioned i mean

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there's letters from james randy there's

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letters from martin garner there's

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letters from all kinds of people

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in the magic world and outside the magic

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world

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wrote letters to jerry

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plus the inventions he made plus just

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the history of of our movement is being

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told through

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through the pages as

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as well as

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i have all his letters he wrote home

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from world war ii and people wrote to

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him in world war ii very historically

422
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it's really interesting i've learned so

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much from jerry andrus just reading

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these papers and i'm still in the

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scanning process i haven't been able to

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go through the articles and read them in

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depth but

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it's it's he lived um

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70 something years and i think i've got

430
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70 years of paper so that's why i'm

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saying it's packed in here my office is

432
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jam-packed with boxes you're right but i

433
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must say it's it's neat

434
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oh i'm a very organized person very

435
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organized everything's got little tabs

436
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and everything is in its place so yes

437
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but i can't clean this up i was thinking

438
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about that you're coming here this

439
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weekend i should clean it all up and i

440
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,959
thought no i have to live with this

441
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because it has to be something i see

442
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every day every moment of my day and say

443
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i gotta get the stand thing finished

444
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that's the way it is yeah so eventually

445
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the archives will go somewhere else

446
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they're going to exist someplace else

447
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but the digital archives he wrote poetry

448
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songs

449
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everything you can't imagine this guy

450
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was prolific amazing i'm absolutely

451
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gobsmacked

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well i'm looking forward to the next few

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days but now from the war room at catnip

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corners

455
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in salinas california susan gothic thank

456
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the earth is only 6 000 years old that's

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what answers in genesis and the creation

458
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museum say and how can a museum be wrong

459
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isn't dr oz just wonderful i love

460
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today's episode it didn't talk down to

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his adoring audience of women at all

462
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science has proved that the subatomic

463
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quantum realm is as real as it is

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counter-intuitive and bizarre therefore

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i can use it to support quantum healing

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and quantum consciousness after all how

467
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can journals like aquarius metaphysics

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be wrong

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evolution is just a theory after all if

470
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we came from monkeys then why are there

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still monkeys

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we all have friends and family who

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believe these things and much more well

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if you're a rational thinker who is

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tired of arguing on social media and

476
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never getting anywhere we have a

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solution for you join the guerrilla

478
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skepticism and wikipedia team and we

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will teach you how to add reliable

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scientific and skeptical information to

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the world's number one source of

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information wikipedia we write new

483
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articles and improve existing ones we

484
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remove pseudoscience paranormal and

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ultimate claims substituting the actual

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facts and we operate in many languages

487
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we've already reached tens of millions

488
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of people searching for information but

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as you can imagine we can never do

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enough so please join us all you need is

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a pc and the desire to help educate the

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planet

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in fact you'll be educating the world

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while you sleep contact us at gsow team

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[Music]

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never tells what he's going to do but

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this cat at my feet probably will give

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away your secrets

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she should be quiet

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that's the cards hello sweetie hello

501
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i'm sitting at the table here with mark

502
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edward and susan gobert

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because i'm about to be dazzled amazed

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befuddled

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with a demonstration

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i better be good

507
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yes you gotta live up to the hype now so

508
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we're gonna do a little test here using

509
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the famous rhine esp cards and since

510
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this is in television you can't see them

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but i will show

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i will show uh yes richard what they

513
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look like okay i'm looking at these are

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the these are the famous

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circle square

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star

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wavy lines and plus symbol this is in

518
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the console yeah yeah yeah and there's

519
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they're repeated they're repeated

520
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several times so they're not all

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different which a lot of people think

522
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there's five of each so

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if you can get one out of five you're

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you're pretty normal but if you get more

525
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than that or you can do something where

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you can perceive what the symbol is

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then it's supposedly proof of the power

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of esp

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so

530
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you've seen what they look like you're

531
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familiar with them you can see them in

532
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your mind if you need to right so i'm

533
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going to put them right here and what i

534
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want you to do is cut them and then

535
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complete the cut that way

536
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there'll be no way i could have any

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control over anything at any time

538
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all right so mark is uh now presenting

539
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me with the deck they're on the table

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here

541
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looks like a

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standard size of playing cards but on

543
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the back of course the wavy lines and

544
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the stars and everything so i'm going to

545
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cut them as you suggest like that yeah

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and

547
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now pick up that portion on the table

548
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and complete the cut so like that okay

549
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i've cut the deck that put some out of

550
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my control yep now the fun part okay you

551
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will you have to hold the microphone

552
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okay what i'm going to do

553
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ask you to now

554
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:47,679
cut anywhere you want

555
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,480
yeah you know just like just like this

556
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,240
if i do this and put the power like that

557
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,159
yeah so i've cut them again that's right

558
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,480
now i've got two decks look at that card

559
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,280
top one okay look at the camera yep you

560
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,960
got it and i'll put it back okay so i'm

561
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,400
going to put it there so

562
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,159
there's not really any way i could know

563
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,280
it it's lost back into the day yes

564
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,360
okay let me concentrate i've got a

565
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,000
minute or two to do this

566
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,240
what month were you born in

567
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:17,360
november around the 19th

568
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,240
not

569
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,360
terribly far from the 19th but okay

570
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:23,360
uh because i'm seeing for some reason

571
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,720
i'm seeing a lot of straight lines

572
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,200
and uh november is close to christmas

573
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:31,440
was it the star

574
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,789
so let's try it again cut anywhere you

575
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,200
want oh susan i'm being done here done

576
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,720
like a dinner all right

577
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,039
so let's see i'll cut here

578
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,520
okay so again now do you want that card

579
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:48,080
or do you want

580
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,520
do you want to cut them again somewhere

581
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,440
else i'll give you a chance so no i'll

582
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,200
i'll take this guy have a look at it

583
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,559
yeah yeah

584
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,440
put it back yep okay add a little peek

585
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,799
yes

586
00:22:01,510 --> 00:22:00,640
mark's going into his concentration

587
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,520
again

588
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,480
same card the star is that right that's

589
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,039
kind of unusual yeah i can't see it but

590
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,720
i would just give him a

591
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,799
was that it yes it was a star it's two

592
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,039
out of two yes let's go for three just

593
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,600
for fun real quick cut it again yeah

594
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,360
this time try and cut it a little

595
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,520
differently somewhere else right because

596
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:21,039
you might have even cut to the same

597
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,840
thing

598
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,360
all right so now again you're going to

599
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,640
look at that card get it and then got it

600
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,240
peeking at the card now and putting it

601
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,559
back yes okay

602
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,559
plus sign

603
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,880
well yes that's three out of three i

604
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,640
have no idea i'm gonna check for you for

605
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,799
a hundred times there's nothing he's

606
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720
doing he's just he's literally picking

607
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,799
up the cards cutting the deck

608
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,120
richard's taking the card i can't see it

609
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,200
there's no window that would have a

610
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:49,280
reflection or anything further if you

611
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,400
wanted yeah okay

612
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,480
now i do like a good mentalism trick all

613
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,840
right so so

614
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:56,960
here's what we're going to do i'm going

615
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,720
to mix them a little bit here

616
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,960
see if i

617
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,400
so now i'm going to have you cut the

618
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,400
cards anywhere you want all right all

619
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,240
right so the card's presented to me face

620
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:07,520
down on the on the table i'm going to

621
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:10,880
cut here and complete the cut

622
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,360
there and i can't see any of those so

623
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,799
okay are you happy or you want to cut

624
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,480
again it's entirely up i'm happy with

625
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,240
that i'm going to give you three

626
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,080
separate cards

627
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,559
this card goes in your top shirt pocket

628
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,320
all right there it goes

629
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,559
the next card face down goes in your

630
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,280
right hand coat pocket over there yep

631
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,360
the third card goes in your left hand

632
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,400
coat box done done all right

633
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,840
so he now has three random cards am i

634
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,360
right you're right and i don't know what

635
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,880
they are and you didn't look at anything

636
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,400
no no idea

637
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,679
i'm going to give them a little shuffle

638
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,520
here see i'm going to take these under

639
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:48,240
the table so we can't see them i can't

640
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,360
see them

641
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,279
and i'm going to try and do with some

642
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,679
psychic matching

643
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,000
yeah without looking this is called

644
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,080
seeing with the fingertips

645
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,919
very powerful

646
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:01,520
magic

647
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,039
okay so please yes if there's a spirit

648
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,120
in the spirit world

649
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,120
which card do you want i'm going to

650
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:11,840
choose the right one all right the right

651
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,640
one okay i hope it is the right one i'm

652
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,039
gonna bring it out now out comes mark's

653
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,520
card and it's a match

654
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,470
i can barely stand it

655
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,830
all right but that's not really that

656
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,600
great one out of five isn't that great

657
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,200
so which

658
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:33,360
car do you want to use next your right

659
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,720
hand

660
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:35,520
the

661
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,240
i'm confusing myself here so you have

662
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,240
one face down in your lap did you look

663
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,640
at it no idea what it is this time you

664
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,320
look at it because i feel like we're on

665
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,320
a roll there's another card oh okay i

666
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,480
can see why that is yes okay so i'm

667
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,640
gonna try and get it don't move your

668
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,880
lips that makes it easy for me

669
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,760
um

670
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,360
okay on the count of three we'll turn

671
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,840
over are you ready yes one

672
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:03,679
two three

673
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,310
okay well i'm gonna do we're gonna do

674
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,840
one last card

675
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,240
but before we do that i am going to give

676
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,720
you the whole rest of the pack and what

677
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:18,640
i want you to do is really mix them

678
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,190
i have mixed the cuts okay so i'm going

679
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,960
to take them back under the table all

680
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,039
right and this time i don't want you to

681
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,200
look it at it and i'm not going to look

682
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,120
at it either because we're building here

683
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,200
that's the that's the premise

684
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,880
so

685
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,520
i go back under the table yeah we can't

686
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,600
see the cards you can't see i can't

687
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,880
you don't know what it is i don't know

688
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,120
what it is either no so bring it around

689
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,799
in front of you there okay there's no

690
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,279
i'm gonna try and get it and on the

691
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,600
count of three let's turn them over one

692
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,279
two three

693
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,880
bingo circles you got it

694
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,360
yeah boy have i learned a magic lesson

695
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,279
today

696
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,880
very good well that was great three out

697
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,120
of three reaching under the table

698
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,600
and the rest of the deck are random and

699
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,799
mixed up

700
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,880
now marcus just uh having another look

701
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,400
through these zener cards what did you

702
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,520
call them before they're also called

703
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,720
something else

704
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,679
they're called esp cards csp cards i

705
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,279
mean you you've known them folks it's

706
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,200
the circle the star the wavy line the

707
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,360
square and the um

708
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,919
and the certainly you remember the first

709
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,240
ghostbusters movie yes yes of course it

710
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:29,919
was a funny what am i talking about the

711
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,039
star the box the wavy line the cross

712
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,360
that's actually a square

713
00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:37,279
you can call it the box i like to call

714
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,230
her wavy lines bacon

715
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,120
[Music]

716
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,039
it does look a bit like like

717
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,400
no i mean

718
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,279
most of the pros it is

719
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:48,559
mentalism

720
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,960
problem is he's looking through the deck

721
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,039
at the moment

722
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,600
i love mentalism i you know i adore it i

723
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,240
think it's one of the the finest

724
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,080
forms of magic but i don't think

725
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,320
everybody is a fan of mentalism i don't

726
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,190
no a lot of people aren't a lot of

727
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,440
people like the bunnies and the birds

728
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,760
and the you know the boxes and the

729
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,440
dancing girls and all that and that's

730
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:16,640
fine

731
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,120
it but for me i just i want to travel

732
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:22,640
real light

733
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,720
deck of cards are or good mentalism

734
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,399
routine you can travel

735
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,559
with nothing with nothing yeah yeah in

736
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,480
other words i don't go to a magic store

737
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,600
i usually go to a stationary store

738
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,840
you know and if i'm stuck it i learned

739
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,559
that from bob cassidy who one time had

740
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,399
all of his props stolen he was in the

741
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,559
middle of nowhere and he had to make up

742
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,880
his whole act by going to the

743
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,600
stationery store so he could do it yeah

744
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,440
yeah i mean there are many fine

745
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,559
mentalism acts with envelopes

746
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,320
exactly for example

747
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,159
and you know writing things or producing

748
00:28:03,510 --> 00:27:59,279
things like that

749
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:04,950
you know when they go to manila they

750
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,549
there's an old origami joke you know i'm

751
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,399
going to be yeah i'm going to manila i'm

752
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,440
going to there

753
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,080
i've been i've been invited by the local

754
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,470
i'll have to remember that but but the

755
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,360
thing about mentalism is when people see

756
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,520
the bunny out of the hat or the the

757
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,360
soaring woman in half or whatever it is

758
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,039
yeah it's there's a general agreement

759
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,640
amongst the audience this is a magic

760
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,480
trick and they're being fooled but

761
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,039
mentalism can really surprise you i'd be

762
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,120
surprised especially in this stage but

763
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,840
mentalism is a great case of when people

764
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,480
see a mentalist act they can't reconcile

765
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,399
it any which way

766
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,240
and then that they can jump to the

767
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,840
conclusion this guy or girl has got real

768
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,679
well that's a psychic power and that's

769
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,799
why

770
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,399
you know it's unfortunate that some

771
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,039
people uh take a mirage with that

772
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,440
because you know it can't work unless

773
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,000
people have a tiny little bit of belief

774
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,640
about it if they're total skeptics with

775
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,640
their arms rigidly folded in front of

776
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,600
them

777
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,320
it just well i mean for someone like

778
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,799
like me for example

779
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,440
but when i go and see a mentalist act

780
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,640
yeah

781
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,480
i'm not exactly

782
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,640
leaving my skepticism at the door but

783
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,279
i'm just there to enjoy the art and the

784
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:27,760
and the showmanship and the routine and

785
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,760
yeah and being suggesting instead of

786
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,240
parading you know some magic to me is

787
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,080
just too visual

788
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,399
and mentalism tends to be more a

789
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,120
cerebral streets and pathways in the

790
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,559
mind so

791
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,120
mark edward what a what a fun afternoon

792
00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:47,200
of mentalism thank you very much my

793
00:30:03,269 --> 00:29:50,860
pleasure thank you

794
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,279
[Music]

795
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,559
hi this is susan gerbic from gsow that's

796
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,960
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797
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,279
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798
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,840
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799
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,399
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800
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801
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,600
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802
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803
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,960
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804
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805
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,399
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806
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807
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,240
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808
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,559
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809
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,480
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810
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,960
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811
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,320
sure think it is

812
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,360
follow the link at skepticzone.tv

813
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:47,679
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814
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:50,220
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815
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,940
so

816
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:09,190
now it's time to dive back into those

817
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,029
digital resources from australia

818
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,960
and sometimes we look further afield to

819
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,200
digital archives from around the world

820
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,360
but this week we're going to stick to

821
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,080
australia and this is a sort of a part

822
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,200
two from the last row from last week

823
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:30,840
where we looked at references to

824
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,519
urigella yuri gala urigala and

825
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,360
one of the names

826
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,919
associated with urigela which is our

827
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:42,240
focus for this week and that would be

828
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,440
andrea

829
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,360
paharich

830
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,679
it was andrea poharage

831
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:49,440
well if we have a quick look at

832
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,960
wikipedia andrea baharic from

833
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,519
1918 to 1995

834
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,919
was a medical and parapsychological

835
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,960
researcher medical inventor

836
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:03,919
physician and author known as the person

837
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,799
who brought israeli yuri gellar

838
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,120
and dutch-born peter herkus

839
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,880
to the united states for scientific

840
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,240
investigation

841
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,080
and there's a bit about his life it says

842
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,399
later on the hurricane was impressed by

843
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,480
the stories about dutch psychic peter

844
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,159
herkos and invited him to the us in 1956

845
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,640
to investigate his alleged abilities

846
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,279
in 1960 the hurrich investigated

847
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,440
materialization seances at camp

848
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,080
chesterfield and that's a whole other

849
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,320
story i promise you that but discovered

850
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,720
the use of cheesecloth

851
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,279
being used to fake ectoplasm

852
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,720
there you go

853
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,200
baharich played himself on perry mason

854
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,600
television series in the episode the

855
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,080
case of the meddling medium

856
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,159
in 1961.

857
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,039
in 1971 paharich met israeli psychic

858
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,480
urigela and endorsed him as a genuine

859
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,840
psychic

860
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,600
and there's a lot more about the man

861
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,760
there if you care to look him up on

862
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,000
wikipedia an interesting fellow but

863
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:06,480
let's look to the archives here in

864
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,919
australia to see where his name comes up

865
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:12,320
and it normally is in conjunction with

866
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:13,830
irigella

867
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,200
[Music]

868
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:21,840
and our first return comes from the

869
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,120
papua new guinea post courier

870
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,799
dated the 23rd of april 1974 very early

871
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,360
on in the gela story

872
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:34,559
and the story says something secret this

873
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,250
way comes

874
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,039
[Music]

875
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:40,080
london tuesday australian associated

876
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,360
press

877
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,120
israeli

878
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,080
rui geller i ui so

879
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,320
it's so early on in the yuri gela story

880
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,600
they didn't get the name right that's

881
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,720
interesting

882
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,000
who claims to bend metal by willpower is

883
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,279
the agent for beings from outer space

884
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,120
who are planning a mass landing on earth

885
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,360
in the next few years his biographer

886
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,080
says in a book published here yesterday

887
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:06,080
the assertion is made by american

888
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,679
psychic researcher andrea piharic in

889
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,760
what is being billed as the authorized

890
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,560
biography of the 27 year old geller who

891
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,359
shot to world renown recently for feats

892
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,480
which include making broken watches tick

893
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,079
by touching them

894
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,720
according to baharich extraterrestrial

895
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,000
intelligence

896
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,359
which has been hovering around the earth

897
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,000
for the past 800 years

898
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,560
is the source of geller's metal bending

899
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,879
and mind-reading powers

900
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,679
no

901
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,639
world conquering is planned by the

902
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,919
beings

903
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,240
just a chance to refuel

904
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,919
from the quote

905
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,800
barometric and cosmic layer and quote

906
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,760
around the earth baharich states

907
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,359
the beings are said to have been

908
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,599
regularly seen hovering in their

909
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,480
flying saucer one

910
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,079
one wonders what was going through the

911
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,760
mind of the reporter when they wrote

912
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,280
that story

913
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:05,920
so we go forward in time a little bit to

914
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,240
january january the 31st 1975

915
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:13,440
from the australian jewish news

916
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,440
metal dynamo mind bender tattoo here

917
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,000
the psychic phenomenon of the 70s

918
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:23,680
israeli wonder boy urigela is to appear

919
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:26,960
in an australian concert tour geller is

920
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,000
the former israeli paratrooper now 27

921
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,320
whose astonishing psychic powers have

922
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,400
astounded millions of people throughout

923
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,680
europe the usa and south africa yuri

924
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:39,920
geller's melbourne appearance will be on

925
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,280
march 19 in the town hall other dates

926
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,400
newcastle civic theater march 5 sydney

927
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,520
town hall march 7 brisbane town hall

928
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,240
march 8 perth concert hall march 15

929
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,440
adelaide apollo march 18. and i i need

930
00:35:58,020 --> 00:35:57,359
to stop here just briefly because this

931
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,030
is so um

932
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,240
[Music]

933
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,280
it's maybe there is a cosmic karmic

934
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:05,200
irony meter going off at the moment

935
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,240
because

936
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:08,800
this sounds very much like

937
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,920
the the schedule that i and james randy

938
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,960
had

939
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,640
some years ago

940
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,040
when we toured australia with the the

941
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:18,960
james randy um

942
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,839
uh the movie the uh an honest liar and

943
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,000
where on various occasions i would

944
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,200
interview randy on stage we would

945
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,760
we were jumping on planes and hotels and

946
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:32,320
planes and hotels perth adelaide

947
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:38,790
oh i'm sorry i have to laugh it's uh

948
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,160
that's ironic we better read on

949
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,800
a bbc television audience of millions

950
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:46,960
and a large live studio audience

951
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,839
including scientists and psycho

952
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:51,359
kineticists

953
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,839
saw metal keys forks knives and spoons

954
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,800
bend and buckle under the gaze of yuri

955
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:03,990
and another stop from me here classic

956
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,000
misreporting of course it sounds good

957
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,240
and it almost makes it look like all

958
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,200
gela had to do was look at things to

959
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,599
make them bend and so forth which of

960
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,680
course isn't the case

961
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,520
a special scientist sitting alongside

962
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,480
geller suddenly left up in disbelief and

963
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:25,359
exclaimed that the minute hand of his

964
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,200
watch had bent double

965
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:31,760
before the program ended the bbc had

966
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,280
received calls from 15 badly shaken

967
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,240
viewers who said metal items they were

968
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,240
touching had suddenly twisted out of

969
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,359
shape

970
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,320
and it is claimed he can photograph

971
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,040
himself without taking off the camera's

972
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,280
light proof lens cap

973
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,760
dr j p

974
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,800
chilton

975
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:55,920
lecturer in metallurgy and material

976
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:58,960
science at cambridge university says

977
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,079
geller is eva the cleverest magician of

978
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,200
the century or he has something new

979
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,280
there is no halfway house

980
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,280
science interest

981
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,760
while the arguing grows louder

982
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,079
scientists are queuing up to prove him

983
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,359
right

984
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:16,800
or wrong

985
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,000
the soft-spoken mind bender said

986
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,720
i do not understand this power but it

987
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,440
has been with me since childhood i

988
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,400
always welcome any authentic scientific

989
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,119
tests to try and determine its source in

990
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,839
the bbc tv show geller also displayed

991
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,560
uncanny powers of extra sensory

992
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,359
perception esp geller says he first

993
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:40,720
became aware of his powers as a

994
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,359
seven-year-old schoolboy sitting at

995
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,000
school bored as little boys often are he

996
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,040
looked at his watch and wished quote

997
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,320
with all his heart end quote that it was

998
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,240
time to go home

999
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,240
when he saw to his amazement that the

1000
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,400
hands started to move

1001
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,280
he told his parents about his experience

1002
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,000
but kept it secret from his friends the

1003
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,920
last thing he wanted was for them to

1004
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,079
think him odd

1005
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:09,920
even today yuri

1006
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,760
who can with a glance cause your car key

1007
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,000
to curl up in your hand

1008
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,560
will insist that he is

1009
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,480
perfectly normal

1010
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,240
now stop here again

1011
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,839
and uh this particular one

1012
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,640
yuri who can with a glance cause your

1013
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,359
car key to curl up in your hand

1014
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,320
well no he never could and i know how

1015
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,320
that trick works and so do many

1016
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,200
magicians and but in this case

1017
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:41,760
the trick seems to be accomplished by

1018
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,800
misreporting the actual events

1019
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,640
leaving the reader at the time to think

1020
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,960
that these events really happened

1021
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,520
we read on i don't quite understand what

1022
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,960
happens all i do is think bend

1023
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:56,480
bend

1024
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,440
late start

1025
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,440
after a spell as a paratrooper in the

1026
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,920
israeli army he took a job in civilian

1027
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:08,240
life as an export manager for a textile

1028
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,880
firm it was only in mid-1970

1029
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,800
that he started to appear before small

1030
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,880
audiences to show his powers of

1031
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,520
telepathy and psychokinesis

1032
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,000
in less than 18 months this 27 year old

1033
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,040
with his good looks and boyish charm had

1034
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:27,440
become extremely well known throughout

1035
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,560
israel

1036
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,200
in april 1972

1037
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,520
yuri left israel to go to europe where

1038
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,240
he immediately attracted wide attention

1039
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,760
in munich with journalists and

1040
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,400
photographers as witnesses yuri stopped

1041
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:43,440
a cable car in mid-air and an escalator

1042
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,040
in a downtown department store

1043
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,760
he created further interest when

1044
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,480
during television appearances in america

1045
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,640
and england hundreds of viewers reported

1046
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,359
that keys spoons and other metal objects

1047
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,160
bent in their homes and watches and

1048
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,800
clocks which had not worked for months

1049
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:03,920
and years

1050
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,359
started to run again

1051
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,520
the first scientific test on gila was

1052
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,359
conducted by dr

1053
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,280
andrea paharich

1054
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,839
an american physician with 25 years

1055
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:17,839
psychic research experience

1056
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,119
subsequently dr paharich who is listed

1057
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,680
in who's who in the east

1058
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,240
leaders in american science and american

1059
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,680
men of medicine

1060
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,760
has written a book published last month

1061
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,400
in the states on the mystery of yuri

1062
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,880
gellar scientists at the prestigious

1063
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,119
stanford university research institute

1064
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,160
in california were cynical at first yet

1065
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,640
changed their tune after they conducted

1066
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,440
intensive and controlled experiments on

1067
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,640
him

1068
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,760
forgive the laughter

1069
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,440
and i recommend

1070
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,520
the book from james randy

1071
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,400
the truth about irigella which covers

1072
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,000
these tests

1073
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,680
we read on

1074
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,280
regular tests

1075
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,000
the respected new scientist magazine has

1076
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,400
set up a committee to examine geller

1077
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,440
some critics claim geller distracts his

1078
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,280
audience's attention

1079
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,520
then puts pressure on the cutlery

1080
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:16,480
between his fingers until it bends he

1081
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,240
appears merely to massage them

1082
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,760
whether fact or fantasy an unfathomable

1083
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:26,960
mystery or gross trickery australian

1084
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:29,839
audiences will soon have the opportunity

1085
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,880
of formulating their own opinions

1086
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,640
on yuri geller

1087
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,280
so that was an interesting report from

1088
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,040
the australian jewish news and where's

1089
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,960
the byline

1090
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,560
i don't see

1091
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,599
who

1092
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,319
would have written that at the time

1093
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,839
possibly

1094
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,640
it was from one of the uh

1095
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:55,760
the

1096
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,359
a little difficult to be too critical

1097
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,200
uh it was difficult in those days to

1098
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,280
know what was really going on so simply

1099
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,319
to report but as you can see or has as

1100
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,520
you heard by

1101
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,800
listening to that

1102
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,839
the glowing reports of geller's stage

1103
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,560
routine and the tests at the stanford

1104
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:18,480
research institute

1105
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,400
and reports like this all fed into the

1106
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,680
dare i say it the myth of urigella now

1107
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,240
finally we come to the year 1984

1108
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:29,680
and in

1109
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,200
this instance it's the australian jewish

1110
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,319
times

1111
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,280
and dated the 22nd of march

1112
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,560
and the

1113
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:40,720
item is called psy

1114
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,400
psi sigh in the sky

1115
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,440
andrea paharich claims to communicate

1116
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,079
with intelligences in outer space

1117
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,480
using a code based on the hebrew

1118
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,119
alphabet hayem shapiro reports and i

1119
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,040
apologize if i haven't pronounced that

1120
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,680
name entirely correctly

1121
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,359
ever since eve ate the fruit of the tree

1122
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,680
of knowledge there have been humans

1123
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,520
trying to expand their powers beyond

1124
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,599
what are normally considered man's

1125
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,280
natural limitations

1126
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,040
andrea paharich

1127
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,760
seems to be familiar with most of them

1128
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,079
the powers and the people

1129
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,040
who acquire them they call me the elder

1130
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:23,839
statesman of parapsychologists he told

1131
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:26,480
the jerusalem post in an interview this

1132
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,280
month

1133
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,200
mainly because i've lived longer than

1134
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,520
most of them baharid who was in

1135
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,200
jerusalem for

1136
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,160
forecast 84 a multi-disciplinary

1137
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,560
conference on prognostication

1138
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:40,880
which attracts parapsychologists

1139
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,000
astrologers cabalists palmists healers

1140
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,240
and clairvoyants from around the world

1141
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,040
is no stranger to israel he claims to

1142
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,280
have discovered yuri gellar

1143
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,319
it is probably true to say that if it

1144
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,240
weren't for paharich

1145
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,160
geller would still be an obscure

1146
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,720
nightclub entertainer unknown outside

1147
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,440
the borders of his country and dismissed

1148
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,240
by many of his fellow countrymen

1149
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,160
as a magician

1150
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,630
at 66 baharich who says he has no

1151
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,800
special powers of his own

1152
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,880
seems to have more than enough of the

1153
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,640
conventional energy

1154
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,839
with twinkling blue eyes a trim mustache

1155
00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:26,880
and a haircut that is different enough

1156
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,800
to be

1157
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,520
unconventional

1158
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,480
but not freaky he speaks with disarming

1159
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,720
reasonableness and humor about flying

1160
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,359
sources messages from outer space

1161
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,400
and winning wars by using

1162
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,680
telepathy with the same good humor he

1163
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,160
relates that his house has been burnt

1164
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:49,040
down several times and that a number of

1165
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:53,119
secret services have tried to kill him

1166
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,560
ask who he laughs all of them the cia

1167
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,480
the british mi5

1168
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:00,800
the mossad etc

1169
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,319
born in chicago two yugoslavian parents

1170
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,599
he was raised in what he describes as a

1171
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,920
tough neighborhood when he completed

1172
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,160
high school he was all set to go out and

1173
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,119
work as a laborer when a judge who knew

1174
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,119
him and took an interest in him

1175
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,440
persuaded him to go to university where

1176
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,280
he studied philosophy

1177
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,960
because he didn't see how he could

1178
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,960
support himself through philosophy he

1179
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,280
switched to medicine in addition to his

1180
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,560
md he also has a phd in philosophy at

1181
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,160
some point towards the end of his

1182
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:34,480
studies he began to take an interest in

1183
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,119
telepathy and other paranormal phenomena

1184
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,280
using a faraday cage he set up an

1185
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,400
experiment to establish that thoughts

1186
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:47,040
could be transmitted telepathically from

1187
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,560
mind to mind

1188
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:50,560
the next step was to determine where the

1189
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,119
mind could influence matter if only he

1190
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,520
could find someone who

1191
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,760
could move a match just a millimeter

1192
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,160
under glass he told himself

1193
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,040
soon afterwards he heard of yuri geller

1194
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,440
and came to israel to see him

1195
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,319
i got to tel aviv and saw some crazy kid

1196
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,200
in a nightclub it was very low level

1197
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,200
everybody was sitting around smoking and

1198
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,400
drinking and he was doing his thing

1199
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,839
but it got my interest geller snapped a

1200
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,319
gold ring in someone's clenched fist and

1201
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,480
i sent the ring off to my colleagues at

1202
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:29,280
stamford to have the break examined in

1203
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,160
the lab

1204
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,400
thousands of people can bend metal today

1205
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,200
and stop and start watches but yuri was

1206
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:37,839
the first says

1207
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,040
baharich who extended his stay in israel

1208
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,839
for almost five months says his visit

1209
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,800
was arranged by an israeli intelligence

1210
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,680
officer when paharich realized that gela

1211
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:52,319
could be of use to israeli military

1212
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,800
intelligence he spoke of aharan yavi and

1213
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:58,400
again i'm sorry if i've pronounced that

1214
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,200
wrong

1215
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:01,760
then head of military intelligence about

1216
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,119
the israeli wonder gela was tested by

1217
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,359
the military authorities and according

1218
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,839
to baharich correctly guessed the number

1219
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,520
of migs

1220
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,640
in the various arab air forces

1221
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,960
at the same time baharich overcame

1222
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,000
geller's resistance to being hypnotized

1223
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,319
the researcher responded that under

1224
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,280
hypnosis geller would be able to reveal

1225
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,160
the source of his powers hi the big

1226
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:29,760
power in the sky

1227
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,440
as baharich calls it in semi-jest

1228
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:36,240
through the hypnotized geller pajaric

1229
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,559
started talking to what he is convinced

1230
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,960
is a power from outer space

1231
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,520
among the messages was one saying that

1232
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:47,599
the egyptians were planning to attack

1233
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,640
israel

1234
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,920
on december 27 1971.

1235
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,400
the information was passed on to israeli

1236
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,480
intelligence says baharich

1237
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,599
israel let egypt know it was aware of

1238
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,960
the plans

1239
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,599
and the attack was averted

1240
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:05,760
uri has worked with various intelligence

1241
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:08,960
agencies for the past 12 years which is

1242
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,839
really funny because everybody in israel

1243
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,520
thinks that yuri gala is the biggest

1244
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,400
schmuck alive says baharich

1245
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,800
asked why if geller prevented war in

1246
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,319
1971

1247
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,280
he did not do so in 1973.

1248
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,240
paharich says that in october 1973 he

1249
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,240
was in germany with geller when the

1250
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,400
latter got a message that egypt

1251
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,359
was going to attack the israelis were

1252
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:34,640
informed

1253
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,680
but this time apparently israel had to

1254
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,359
go through the war

1255
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,160
to teach a lesson to the whole world

1256
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,559
the lesson came he says when the arabs

1257
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:47,599
cut off their oil supplies to the west

1258
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,280
the harwich adds that he has trained

1259
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,040
many people to work for military

1260
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:55,599
intelligence using the same techniques

1261
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:58,480
as he used with gela under hypnosis in

1262
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,599
the u.s as in the soviet union he

1263
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:03,839
remarks psychics are used by the

1264
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,480
military one psychic warned president

1265
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:09,440
reagan that he would be shot three days

1266
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,400
before

1267
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,520
james hinckley tried to kill him

1268
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,599
and i think actually that disturbed man

1269
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,920
was john hinckley at the time

1270
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,520
nevertheless

1271
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,520
despite stepped-up precautions the

1272
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,160
president was shot but not killed just

1273
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,040
as the psychic had prophesized

1274
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,720
paharich says

1275
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,040
he maintains with a good humid smile

1276
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,160
that he is under constant surveillance

1277
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,000
i can't talk on the phone because it's

1278
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,720
being tapped by five different nations

1279
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:41,680
when he visits israel he says the police

1280
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,760
always find his name on their blacklist

1281
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,240
and detain him until the word comes from

1282
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,319
the authorities to let him go

1283
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,400
in israel of course

1284
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:55,119
they would never admit to using psychics

1285
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,160
he says

1286
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,480
too many religious fanatics would object

1287
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,000
and the other countries

1288
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:02,800
could use such information the psychic

1289
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:05,520
powers he says can be used for

1290
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,599
good or bad it is possible to kill at a

1291
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,359
distance he says

1292
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,079
the soviets like that kind of thing

1293
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,240
there are psychics who specialize in

1294
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,079
stopping tanks

1295
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,480
you don't have to stop the whole mass it

1296
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,640
would take far too much energy all you

1297
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,440
have to do is move one little fuse in

1298
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,240
america he says the first contact with

1299
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,160
military intelligence came when he was

1300
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,640
doing tests with gela at the stanford

1301
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,480
research institute

1302
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,800
a military computer on a different floor

1303
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:39,839
of the same building began to go haywire

1304
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,240
and the intelligence people came down to

1305
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,640
find out the source of the trouble

1306
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,040
shortly afterwards he says the u.s

1307
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,599
intelligence service began to work on

1308
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,319
psychic phenomena while at the same time

1309
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,400
conducting a public campaign to

1310
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,160
discredit it

1311
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,119
the climax of the campaign was a large

1312
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,000
spread in time magazine

1313
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,400
quote exposing yuri gellar as a

1314
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,400
charlatan end quote

1315
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,960
now baharich says the intelligence

1316
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,359
establishment in america has done an

1317
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,920
about turn and treats the psychics

1318
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,640
seriously in public as well as in

1319
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,119
private once again he says

1320
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,440
time has been called into action this

1321
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,440
time to support their claims

1322
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,480
but it is doubtful whether any paper not

1323
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,040
devoted to psychic subjects would take

1324
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:31,119
seriously paharich's

1325
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,880
account of his first encounter

1326
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,920
with life from outer space

1327
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,400
before describing the encounter perhaps

1328
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,440
one ought to recall that aldous huxley

1329
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,599
was so impressed by paharich's first

1330
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,240
book the sacred mushroom that he called

1331
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,760
him quote

1332
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,480
one of the most brilliant minds of

1333
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,280
parasitology mean quote

1334
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,640
colin the outsider wilson

1335
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,440
writes in mysteries that

1336
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,200
paharic's chief contributions to

1337
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,480
parapsychology can be found in his book

1338
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,599
beyond telepathy 1962. a balanced

1339
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,280
account of experiments in telepathy

1340
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,960
conducted well

1341
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,800
a balanced account of experiments in

1342
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,720
telepathy conducted by well-known

1343
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,960
psychics like peter herkos and elaine

1344
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,359
garrett it is also an attempt to create

1345
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:24,000
a physics of paranormal experience based

1346
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:24,880
on

1347
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,040
psy plasma paharic suggests we become

1348
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,160
good telepathic senders when we are in

1349
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,280
states of anger fear and aggression and

1350
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:36,880
good receivers

1351
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,760
when we are in states of relaxation and

1352
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:40,960
serenity

1353
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:44,000
theory caused considerable discussion

1354
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,599
and beyond telepathy quickly became a

1355
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,440
classic in its field

1356
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,839
but when paharich met gellar this

1357
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,760
credibility received a tremendous

1358
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,800
battering

1359
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,839
this is how wilson describes it

1360
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,240
if beyond telepathy buttressed

1361
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,160
paharich's reputation

1362
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,040
his next book came close to destroying

1363
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,200
it it was called

1364
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,839
yuri a journey of the mystery of urigela

1365
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,359
1974.

1366
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,000
this is a straightforward narrative of

1367
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,400
paharich's three-year investigation of

1368
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,839
gela

1369
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,119
yet it ends by producing total confusion

1370
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,920
and bewilderment baharich's meeting with

1371
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,880
geller

1372
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:28,160
occurred in the jaffa discotheque in

1373
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,599
august 1971. gilas feats of telepathy

1374
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,480
and precognition impressed baharid

1375
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,640
and if the book was restricted to

1376
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,400
describing these feats it would

1377
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,880
undoubtedly impress most open-minded

1378
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,000
readers

1379
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,680
but at this point

1380
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,920
extraterrestrials

1381
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,720
enter the story and it turns into a

1382
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,319
chronicle of marvels and improbabilities

1383
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,359
placed in a trance geller describes how

1384
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,520
at the age of three he had fallen asleep

1385
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:59,920
in the garden opposite his home and

1386
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,799
awakened to see a huge shining figure

1387
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,319
standing over him

1388
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,480
and the bright bowl-shaped object

1389
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,640
floating in the sky overhead and while

1390
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,880
gellow was still hypnotized

1391
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,760
a mechanical voice began to speak from

1392
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,760
the air above his head

1393
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:17,440
explaining that

1394
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,319
they

1395
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,920
the space intelligences had found geller

1396
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:24,720
in the garden and had been programming

1397
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:28,960
him ever since paharich the voice said

1398
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,119
had been programmed to take care of yuri

1399
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,920
relentless succession of miracles fills

1400
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,280
the rest of the book

1401
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,839
objects are always disappearing and then

1402
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,400
reappearing ufos are cited the car

1403
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,319
engine stops and starts again for no

1404
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:46,880
reason baharich camera bag is

1405
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,839
miraculously teleported 3 000 miles from

1406
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,839
new york to tel aviv

1407
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,160
all this leaves the reader bewildered

1408
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,960
and exhausted and curiously finally

1409
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,960
turns into a kind of

1410
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,520
punch drunk indifference

1411
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,400
now for paharashi's description of his

1412
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:06,880
first encounter with the ufo

1413
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,079
sitting in his hilton hotel room in

1414
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,040
jerusalem baharich recalls that he was

1415
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,079
with gela in tel aviv in the early 1970s

1416
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,240
when the latter suddenly told him that

1417
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,119
they must go to the car and drive around

1418
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,440
geller insisted that paharich drive

1419
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,440
although the american had no knowledge

1420
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,559
of the area

1421
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:28,960
they drove at random for about half an

1422
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:33,280
hour then says baharich they came to

1423
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:36,799
a sand embankment in east tel aviv

1424
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,599
and geller ordered him to stop they

1425
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,240
climbed the embankment and saw a round

1426
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,319
saucer-like object with something

1427
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,720
resembling a strobe light

1428
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,880
geller entered the object while paharich

1429
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:51,359
waited outside and photographed it when

1430
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,480
gela emerged he took baharich's camera

1431
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:56,559
then held it for a while

1432
00:57:03,349 --> 00:56:59,920
and the film vanished

1433
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,359
the rest as the saying goes is history

1434
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,440
recorded in the annals of the society

1435
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,680
for psychic research

1436
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,680
baharich believes he has now perfected a

1437
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,160
system of communicating regularly with

1438
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:14,640
intelligences from outer space he goes

1439
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,760
to sleep and leaves on a tape recorder

1440
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,079
and when he wakes he finds a mechanical

1441
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,079
voice has been recorded

1442
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,319
other communications come through his

1443
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,559
watch which starts and stops for no

1444
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,040
apparent reason by noting down the times

1445
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,920
at which it stops and starts and using a

1446
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,240
code based on the hebrew alphabet

1447
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:36,160
baharich gets his

1448
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,799
messages he tells me he had prior

1449
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,079
warning of the floods and droughts that

1450
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:44,799
have recently been plaguing the planet

1451
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:48,640
this phase will end in 1984 apparently

1452
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:52,559
and will be followed by something worse

1453
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,319
sporadic freezing spells of two or three

1454
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,359
days

1455
00:58:02,630 --> 00:57:59,119
somebody is screwing around with the

1456
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,640
planet he says explaining that he means

1457
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,559
extraterrestrials

1458
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,280
in order to check his and other people's

1459
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,000
prophecies in a methodical manner he

1460
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,079
suggests setting up an institute for

1461
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,160
prophecy in jerusalem

1462
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,400
where people can send in their

1463
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,799
predictions up to a year in advance

1464
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:21,599
we'll set aside those who are wrong and

1465
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,720
concentrate on those who are right

1466
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,839
he says

1467
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,160
he appears amused at being told of the

1468
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,640
jewish saying but since the destruction

1469
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,359
of the temple the gifts of prophecy have

1470
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,480
been given to fools and babies

1471
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,440
i think we have entered a new age of

1472
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:40,640
prophecy

1473
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,720
e countess it began in 1947. that's when

1474
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,480
flying saucers were first reported in

1475
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:47,839
large numbers

1476
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,119
and was when the u.n voted to petition

1477
00:58:55,090 --> 00:58:53,599
palestine and that was when yuri geller

1478
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,100
was born

1479
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,270
so there we go some references in the

1480
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,079
australian news from various sources

1481
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:06,000
originally i would imagine

1482
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,760
about the man

1483
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,040
character

1484
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:11,920
andrea paharich

1485
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,319
and of course his association with yuri

1486
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,079
gellar

1487
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,040
but you too can find out about all sorts

1488
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,760
of associations with psychics and other

1489
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:22,799
people

1490
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:26,640
by looking up the archives at trovatrov

1491
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,200
t-r-o-v-e dot n-l-a dot g-o-v dot

1492
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,520
trove dot gov dot eu

1493
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,839
thousands upon thousands upon ridiculous

1494
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,240
number of digitized newspapers

1495
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,079
articles journals and so on for you to

1496
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,400
search and

1497
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,920
like me

1498
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:45,280
you never know

1499
00:59:49,210 --> 01:00:08,870
[Music]

1500
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,230
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1501
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,680
zone thank you for that old pizza and

1502
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:14,079
vegemite by the way susan

1503
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,440
you're welcome to come and eat my old

1504
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,200
food anytime you'd like

1505
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,359
i will do that and please come and take

1506
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,040
care of all the vegemite that we have in

1507
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,200
the house because nobody eats it but you

1508
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,040
i've been doing that and i must tell you

1509
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,040
that when i had my vegemite toast a

1510
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:29,280
little while ago i looked at the jar and

1511
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,440
the jar said uh used by 2016.

1512
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,599
oh interesting it's probably improving

1513
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,079
the flavor but it was all right

1514
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:40,160
what a treat it has been over the last

1515
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:43,119
few days to visit you susan i hope i can

1516
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,720
see you again but i can always see you

1517
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,200
online yes you can

1518
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,599
and until next week folks with the last

1519
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,119
uh thank you to all those people who

1520
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,359
contribute to the skeptic zone at paypal

1521
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,680
and patreon which we always encourage

1522
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:57,760
people to do this is richard saunders

1523
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,160
and susan gerbic signing off from the

1524
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:03,119
war room here at catnip corners very

1525
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:11,270
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1526
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,720
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1527
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,160
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1528
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,390
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1529
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,960
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1530
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1531
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1532
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1533
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1534
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,319
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1535
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1536
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:39,599
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1537
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,720
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1538
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,559
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1539
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,880
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1540
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:49,359
of australian skeptics or any other

1541
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:51,110
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1542
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,309
now the washing machine has been turned

1543
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,920
off susan's coming back i'm here with

1544
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,599
mark edward and susan go back to play

1545
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,920
the dice game yay

1546
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:11,920
you you've already have you ever played

1547
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,319
a live dice game with me in person i

1548
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:16,000
don't remember susan you're always

1549
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,440
guessing five what number do you want to

1550
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,720
get five oh that's a surprise

1551
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,880
it's gonna come up again i'm telling you

1552
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:24,799
it's mark edward there it is it's say

1553
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,680
just a standard d10 right it's not it's

1554
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,520
not gimmicked or tricked it

1555
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,599
he's a magician i've never seen one

1556
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,680
before

1557
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,440
he's looking like okay what's what else

1558
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,200
is richard in his hands he's looking for

1559
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,640
the no

1560
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,720
it looks like a look like looks like a

1561
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,880
game guy yeah

1562
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,200
am i supposed to choose a number now

1563
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:47,119
susan has chosen five which is a

1564
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,559
complete statement you didn't tell me

1565
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,680
the range

1566
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,240
it's uh well it's one to ten or or zero

1567
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,880
to uh nine it well there's a zero on it

1568
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:56,640
but that can represent i'll take four

1569
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:00,400
four yeah and i'll take uh two okay so

1570
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,760
you can verify that it's a fish shake

1571
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:05,440
watch his hands

1572
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:09,839
wait wait wait open both hands again

1573
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,870
i told you hey

1574
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,480
it's a four

1575
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,160
right that's the first one here comes

1576
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:22,960
the second one so it's another five

1577
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,109
eight let's double four

1578
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:31,359
hmm last one

1579
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,880
here's what you didn't tell us but your

1580
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,319
oh yours was

1581
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,720
two did i say two yeah

1582
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:39,359
i can't remember okay here last one

1583
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,589
four that's my number

1584
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:47,760
so you go did you do that with your mind

1585
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,960
yeah he's a mentalist i can't help it

1586
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,280
we should do a supplementary justin you

1587
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,920
can roll it susan please a supplementary

1588
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,160
i thought i won something it's probably

1589
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,319
going to be enough bragging rights

1590
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:01,920
okay so you guys are sticking with your

1591
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:04,799
numbers too you know we're changing them

1592
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:07,440
six six okay two six and five all right

1593
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,230
here we go

1594
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,079
[Music]